ORMUS Frequently Asked Questions
by
Barry Carter
Questions
Question: How can I get some of the monoatomic White
Powder Gold?
Answer:
It has not been conclusively demonstrated whether the
strange materials David Hudson identified are monatomic or not. Some scientists have suggested that the only
way they could have the properties that they have is if they are di-atomic or
greater.
Since we do not wish to
prejudice the scientific process we have decided not to call them monatomic unless this issue is resolved.
Instead we call them m-state or ORMUS elements. The “m” in m-state could mean monatomic, microcluster or even manna. You can read a scientist’s explanation of why these elements should
not be monatomic at:
paranorm.htm#diatomic
Apparently, David Hudson
used the term "White Powder Gold" as a generic term for all of the precious metal elements in their m-state
form. Hudson never made very much of the white powder of gold because his ore source
had relatively little m-gold in it.
David Hudson's colleague who
did the 41 day fast was using a powder composed of several m-state elements with less than 1% of the powder
being white gold. The current thinking of most experts, including Hudson, is
that once the m-state is dried out into a powder it is much less easy for the body to assimilate.
It is possible to purchase
m-state gold in a relatively pure form as a wet precipitate. Many of the people who have
tried the m-state gold for a length of time do not like it for a variety of reasons. Some feel that it
makes them lethargic. Some feel that it puts them so much in the moment that they forget to do the things which
are important to make their lives work. One long-term researcher claims that the m-gold "locks" a person into
their present condition, whatever that may be.
The easiest way to get
m-state gold is to use the Wet Method on Dead
Sea salt as the resulting precipitate is claimed to
be 70% m-gold and 30% magnesium.
You can see what percentage
of the m-state elements is in various seawater sources at:
ormus4.htm
Your best way to get the
m-state materials is to make them yourself using the methods described at:
ormus2.htm
Question: What is the difference between ORMUS, m-state and ORME?
Answer:
The three terms above all mean pretty much the same thing
but they originated in different situations.
I learned how to make the
white precipitate from the Essene on May 18,
1997. He called all of the white precipitates from
various sources m-state. These sources included the white precipitate from the Wet Method on ocean water
or Dead Sea salt and the white precipitate from the Sodium Burn on metallic gold
and black sand. He also referred to David Hudson's products as m-state and, when I told him of the ORMUS
products that Jim made from metal using ozone we both spoke of these substances as being m-state
materials.
Just prior to my first visit
with the Essene we set up a "private" email list to evaluate and promote various ORMUS production methods. The
folks on this list (about 60 people) agreed to the following wording of the ORMUS method document after nearly
a year of experimentation and discussion:
"Since
Hudson has patented his process for obtaining and identifying these elements,
we would like to suggest that the terms ORMUS and m-state be used when referring to this state of
matter."
It was our intention to
honor Hudson by using his term "ORMUS" and to honor the Essene by using his term
"M-State". Both of these terms were originally used to cover all of these elements as they occur in a
non-metallic form in nature.
We rejected the use of the
acronym ORME (which stands for Orbitally Re-arranged
Monoatomic Element) because there was no good scientific evidence that these
materials were orbitally re-arranged or monatomic. I still have not seen any
evidence of this.
You can read a longer
explanation of the reasons for these definitions at:
definitions.htm
You can read a discussion
about why many of us do not think they are monatomic at:
what.htm
Question: Will the "good stuff", the real White Powder Gold, allow me to
ascend?
Answer:
People are always asking about the ability of the white
powder of gold to act as a sort of "enlightenment pill". An "enlightenment
pill" would be some substance that would cause any person who takes it to instantly transcend, ascend, awaken
or "see" God.
Belief in the concept of an
enlightenment pill seems to be rooted in the deeper belief that enlightenment can come from outside of the
self. This belief is almost the same as the belief that someone else is responsible for the mess that "I" am in
right now.
Let's imagine that the ORMUS
elements can improve the connection to spirit. Now, let's pretend that each of us is actually responsible for
everything which has ever happened to us. Imagine that you are responsible for the manifestation of what you
want and also responsible for the manifestation of what you don't want, in your life.
If the ORMUS elements are a
connecting medium between "spirit and mind/matter" then they might work sort of like the air which connects us
with the resonance of sound. I can speak and, if the air is thick enough to sustain life, you can hear what I
say.
If the air is thicker, like
at sea level, the sound of my voice will travel faster and clearer than if the air is thinner, like on a
mountain top. This is the reason that you can hear a train coming, by putting your ear to the iron rail, long
before you can hear the train through the air. The denser the substance the faster sound will travel through
it. ORMUS would be a very dense medium for carrying our thoughts and feelings.
Now imagine that you are
standing on a ledge in the Grand
Canyon. You shout out a word and a few seconds later
the echo comes back to you. It startles you because it seems like someone else is standing next to you and has
shouted back the same thing that you shouted. Perhaps you shouted out "I love you" or perhaps you shouted out
"I hate you".
The
Grand Canyon is so big that the echo is delayed a long time. This makes it
seem that the echo you hear is coming from someone else. If you hear the words "I love you" you feel
really good about yourself but if you hear the words "I hate you" you might become frightened because you
think that someone wishes to harm you.
If the ORMUS elements are a
medium of communication between mind and spirit they would bring us back the echo of whatever we are thinking
about ourselves.
Suppose you had two bells
outside your front door. One of these bells sounds wonderful and the other sounds horrible. The wonderful
sounding bell attracts laughing, happy children to your front door and the horrible sounding bell attracts
violent, vicious criminals to your door.
Now suppose that the
wonderful bell rings whenever you think about what you want and the horrible bell rings whenever you think
about what you don't want. What would happen if the air, which carries the sound of the bell, suddenly became
thicker. What if it became infinitely thick so that every thought would instantly
manifest those things that were in resonant harmony with it.
I think that this is what
happens with ORMUS, especially the "good stuff". I think it carries the resonance of our thoughts and beliefs
and brings back the echo of their manifestation very quickly. If this is true then here is a way to tell if you
are ready for the "good stuff".
First, examine your life--do
things you don't like ever happen to you? Would you be happier if these things were intensified and more
instantly connected to the thoughts that called them in? Conversely, notice how regularly the things you do
like happen to you. When you wake up in the morning do you contemplate your day with delicious anticipation or
do you dread going to work? Which bell do you ring as you go out your front door?
Your beliefs are habits,
which ORMUS will not change. When you take ORMUS it does not steal your free choice. It does not make you think
only of what you want and prevent you from thinking of what you don't want. You still can choose which bell you
are going to ring with each thought. Are you sure you always think of your angels and never think of your
demons--for whichever you think of you will manifest in your life and this manifestation will only be hastened
and heightened by the ingestion of the "good stuff".
You can read a cautionary
story about the "good stuff" at:
realthing.htm
Question: Which product is best for me?
Answer:
You are changing all of the time. The best product for you
today might not be the best one for you tomorrow or next year. Each of us is different. There is no single
product which is best for all people. Some products may be better for certain conditions than others but, at
this point, we do not know which product is best for which condition.
Your best bet for finding a
product which works well for you is to try several different products. Have someone muscle test you on each of
them. Read the WhiteGold list and archives for the effects that others have
reported for the product of interest.
Question: Does anyone sell ORMUS materials?
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Answer: If, for some reason, you cannot make your own there are several good
sources for these materials. These sources are listed
in no particular order since I do not wish to suggest a preference. In fact, there
are many people who prefer each of these sources and I suspect that each will meet
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ORMUS Sources
Question: The most recent information on the Internet about David Hudson and his
production facility is dated 1996. What has happened since then with David Hudson
and his plans?
Answer:
Mr. Hudson is not in production. There is some question
about whether he will ever get into production.
David Hudson has faced a
number of difficulties in getting his ORMUS production on line. When his plant was five days into a test run in
the summer of 1998, a nitric acid tank sprang a leak. Fortunately Hudson had a
concrete catch basin, which contained the acid. Unfortunately the emergency response team
from the fire department sprayed foam on the acid instead of simply diluting it with water. The foam
reacted with the acid and generated a large cloud of orange nitric acid gas. Several hundred people had to be
evacuated from the surrounding area.
As a consequence of this
event Hudson was fined and forced to think about moving his plant.
A short time after the acid
leak Hudson had a heart attack. He had to have six bypasses. Subsequent to his
surgery he had additional heart problems but seems to be doing well now.
His plant is still not ready
for production. The delays cost him a great deal of money and this set him back even further. Now he must move
his plant into a properly zoned area. In November of 2000 he sent out his last newsletter titled "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH" in this newsletter he suggested that his plant has been "regulated out of
existence".
His most recent public
lecture was a December 99 lecture in Dallas
which was videotaped by the Eclectic Viewpoint.
Question: How can I get in touch with other people who share my interest in the
ORMUS materials?
Answer:
There are several email lists for discussion of ORMUS and
related topics.
I recently set up a new
forum for newcomers to the ORMUS field of study. This forum is on YahooGroups and
is called simply ORMUS. Here are the commands for this list:
Post
message: ORMUS@yahoogroups.com
Subscribe:
ORMUS-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
Unsubscribe:
ORMUS-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
List
owner: ORMUS-owner@yahoogroups.com
You can also subscribe on
line at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ORMUS/
When you subscribe to this
list you will be sent a message requesting more information about you and how you learned about this list. You
must send a response to this request in order before I will add you to the list. This is necessary to prevent
spammers from joining the list and posting.
The main ORMUS forum is
called the WhiteGold List. The WhiteGold List is a
moderated email list. This means that the moderator of the list reviews every post you send to the list before
it gets sent on to the whole list.
Since its inception in
February of 1996 it has been the policy of the WhiteGold List to keep the names and
contact information of its subscribers as private as those subscribers wish to be. We determine whether a
person wishes to make this kind of information available to the entire list by whether or not they include this
kind of information in the body of their post or in their signature lines. If you include only your first name
at the bottom of your post that is all that will be included in the "From:" line in the header.
The WhiteGold List is for the sharing of personal experiences with the ORMUS substances. There is
some scientific discussion but we discourage religious and political discussion because of the great diversity
of people who are interested in ORMUS. The WhiteGold List averages about 25
messages per day. To join the WhiteGold list send a message to WhiteGold-request@zz.com with the subject Subscribe.
The WhiteGold list is a very active list. Folks on the list are generally quite willing to answer
questions so you may generate some interesting responses by posting your questions to this list.
If you do not wish to get 25
or more emails a day from the WhiteGold list, you have the option of joining the
digest version of the list. All of the posts are there but you get them in one digest message a day. To join
the WhiteGold digest list send a message to WhiteGold-request@zz.com with the subject Subscribe digest.
If this
does not work contact sumro@zz.com .
The ORMUS and Spirit list
was created as a place where people can freely discuss religious and spiritual issues. Anyone can join this
list and it is not moderated or anonymous. This forum averages about one message per day. Here are the commands
for this list:
Post
message: ORMUSandSpirit@yahoogroups.com
Subscribe:
ORMUSandSpirit-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
Unsubscribe:
ORMUSandSpirit-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
List
owner:
ORMUSandSpirit-owner@yahoogroups.com
You can also subscribe on
line at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ORMUSandSpirit/
When you subscribe to this
list you will be sent a message requesting more information about you and how you learned about this list. You
must send a response to this request in order before I will add you to the list. This is necessary to prevent
spammers from joining the list and posting.
In addition to these forums
there are over 100 local area ORMUS email lists. There is generally a local list centered within a hundred
miles of most places in the United States and there are over 25 lists outside the USA.
These local ORMUS lists were created so that people can meet in person to work together on ORMUS related stuff.
I also post information about upcoming ORMUS related meetings and lectures when they are to occur in a local
area.
You can find a list of these
local groups and join from links at:
http://ormus.net/mailman/listinfo
They are not moderated or
anonymous. If you would like to set up a workgroup in your area please let me know what country you live in and
what city you live near. I regularly get reports of results from people, on these local lists,
who have been making and ingesting their own m-state materials.
I initially started setting up the local area ORMUS email lists in January of
1999 so that folks who are interested in ORMUS would have a way to get together in person to work on ORMUS
related projects. Some of the projects that I envisioned at the time are:
- Learning to make ORMUS using a variety of
methods.
- Sharing resources to make ORMUS cooperatively.
- Sharing the costs of trying numerous ORMUS products (ORMUS
"tasting" parties).
- Purchasing ORMUS related supplies in bulk.
- Building magnetic traps.
- Cooperative ocean expeditions to collect ocean
water.
- Comparing personal ORMUS experiences.
- Setting up presentations for local and non-local
speakers.
- Swapping ORMUS related books and videos.
- Organizing strategies to better get the word out about
ORMUS.
While all of these joint projects are useful in themselves they also help to
build community among people who have many common goals and values. I believe that community building is a very
important thing right now. People who are good at working together are most likely to prosper in times of
changing social structures.
I would like to encourage everyone who reads this to join a local ORMUS group.
I am looking for volunteers to coordinate the local groups.
Remember, it is always best to have your own local source of supply for
something as precious and useful as ORMUS.
Question: How can I learn more about ORMUS?
Answer:
You can find basic descriptions of ORMUS
at:
ORMUS –
Basic Overview by Barry Carter
ORMUS – What is
it?
ORMUS -
Scientific Overview by Barry Carter
An illustrated article on ORMUS can be
found at:
Ancient
Puzzles
by
Barry Carter
Articles on various ORMUS related
subjects can be found at:
Articles.htm
David Hudson's lectures, patents and
other related materials can be found at:
What Is
It?
Question: Are there any reports from people who have used these
materials?
Answer:
You can find a number of these reports at:
reports.htm
Question: How might I contribute to ORMUS research?
Answer:
There are many ways you can contribute. Two ways that
I would suggest initially are to support this work financially by donating money and contribute by
documenting your ORMUS experiences.
If you wish to
make a monetary contribution contact me at sumro@zz.com.
Everyone who uses ORMUS is in a
great position to contribute to our understanding of what it is and how it works. The easiest way to do this is
to document the changes you experience with it.
Some of the most remarkable
documentation that we have is from those few people who thought to take before pictures of problem areas. I
just wish more people would do this.
One of the best set of pictures we
have is the before and after picture of the tooth at:
tooth.jpg
and the beard at:
m-copperbeard.jpg
The "after" picture alone totally
looses its impact without the "before" picture for comparison.
I just wish we had the before
picture for Tut's tail at:
tutstail.htm
I also wish I had a before picture
of the hands described in this quote:
"My hands were claw-like,
arched and impossible to lay flat, with all fingers splayed apart due to the calcium deposits on the
knuckles that forced the fingers outward. Each joint has calcium deposits that have twisted the fingers; in
addition to looking old and awful, very painful. I can now lay my hands flat, and the fingers on the right
hand are almost completely touching each other."
We have an after picture
at:
hands.jpg
In this case one picture would
have been worth much more than 67 words.
I asked this woman to take a
before picture but she put it off. She did not expect the changes to happen so quickly.
Here is a list of documentation steps
which would help the cause if lots of folks were to start them before starting their use of the ORMUS
substances.
1. List all of your existing health
problems and get a medical checkup which will document the existence of these problems.
2. Photograph every part of the body
that might change with ORMUS ingestion. The following areas are particularly suggested:
a. The face
including details of wrinkles and sagging skin.
b. Hair color.
Get good close ups of any hair which has become gray.
c. Hair growth
patterns and thickness (this would include baldness and hair loss)
d. Both sides of
both hands.
e. Any scars, skin
cancers or skin conditions like psoriasis or shingles.
f. Swollen joints like finger joints, knees, wrists and
elbows.
g. Any broken or
cracked teeth and visible cavities.
g. A good picture
of the spine which might show any spinal misalignment.
h. A picture which
shows the whole body profile.
I. A picture which
shows the whole body from the front.
j. A picture which
shows the whole body from behind.
The last three pictures would reveal
hip rotations, differences in leg or arm lengths or other posture problems and should be taken with little or
no clothing on. If you are modest about this sort of thing you can take the pictures with a film camera, leave
the film undeveloped and store it in a safe place. Women may wish to take photos which show breast size and sag
as both conditions have been known to change with the use of ORMUS substances.
These pictures can be taken with a
digital camera, a disposable film camera, a video camera or a regular film camera. Every person will not need
to take every picture. Just take pictures of those areas where change might happen.
3. Make tracings of the feet and
hands. Some people have reported that their fingers and toes have gotten longer.
4. Measure your height. This should be
done immediately after rising from bed in the morning as this is the time of maximum height during the day.
Some people may get as much as 1.5 inches shorter over the course of the day. Several people have reported
ORMUS related changes in their height. One woman has gotten 3.5 inches taller at the age of 53.
5. Check the pH of your saliva and
urine first thing in the morning and last thing at night for a week before starting with a new ORMUS
product.
6. Document changes in frequency,
color, odor and ease of urination.
7. Document any changes in stool
softness, regularity, color and whether it floats or not.
8. Document any changes in the sound
you hear when things are quiet. Many people have reported that they hear a sound in their head after using
ORMUS for a while. This sound is called the "hu" or "nada". Notice any changes in
the frequency of this sound, it's intensity or the nature of the sound. I always
hear a high frequency sound at around 11,000 Hz and occasionally hear a chirping sound in my right ear. You can
download a trial version of the NCH Tone Generator which can be used to compare frequency at:
http://www.nch.com.au/tonegen/
9. Document any noticeable changes in
tooth pain, new teeth, tooth alignment, filling in of cavities or other changes in the teeth.
10. Women should document any changes
in their period including changes in the level of menstrual cramping, PMS, periodicity changes, flow levels and
resumption of menstruation after menopause.
11. Everyone should document changes
in sexual response or orgasm intensity.
12. Some people have noticed that it
is easier to quit addictive behaviors like smoking or other drug use. If you have any such addictions it would
be helpful to document how those addictions change with the use of ORMUS.
13. Hair analysis can reveal mineral
deficiencies over time. Before and after hair analysis would be helpful.
14. Blood tests can reveal immune
system changes and/or cancer indicators. If you think that these things might be changing with your ORMUS
ingestion it will be helpful to get copies of these tests from your doctor.
15. If anyone can think of any other
things to add to this list I will make the changes.
If you are interested in helping out
with ORMUS research but not quite interested enough to do all of the things listed above, documenting any
portion of the list will be much better than doing nothing at all. This list order is a rough approximation of
the order of importance of these various documentation tasks.
Question: Has anyone ever noticed any ill effects after ingesting ORMUS
materials?
Answer:
Occasionally people have reported unpleasant effects
associated with the use of some of the ORMUS products listed on the SubtleEnergies web site. Most of these effects might be explained as follows:
First, the ORMUS elements appear to
stimulate the body's elimination of toxins. This occurs first at the cellular level. As these toxins re-enter
the blood stream they can trigger the same symptoms that they triggered when the toxins were originally stored
in the cells. These symptoms generally do not persist as long as they did originally but they may be a bit more
intense for a short period of time. They are also reported to happen in reverse order from the present to the
past. This process is called a "healing crisis". You can read a diary which describes these healing crisis
effects from trap water at:
Trap Water
Diary
The liver and kidneys have the role of
cleansing toxins from the blood and eliminating them from the body. If these organs are not functioning well
there can be a buildup of toxins in these organs which might harm them. For this reason it is generally best to
do a series of liver cleanses and drink lots of water in conjunction with the initial stages of ORMUS
ingestion. From my experience, few people have serious problems with this cleansing stage.
For some people the increased
elimination load might result in constipation. The extra magnesium in ocean water ORMUS precipitate can
mitigate this as it is the same as the active ingredient of milk of magnesia a notable laxative. An extra
benefit is that most people are magnesium deficient and this is a good magnesium source.
Concurrent with the elimination
process some people report tiredness or sleepiness. The Essene reported that during this stage some folks will
get quite sleepy and that when they wake up they will "eat everything but the curtain rods and then they will
go right back to sleep again." We think that this happens because the body is using up the energy stored in ATP
to fuel the healing process. There are some indications that this tiredness can be prevented or mitigated by
taking extra B vitamins, especially B-12 and the amino acid creatine.
Another issue that has been suggested
by several ORMUS researchers and producers is that it is easier to benefit from ORMUS if the body is in a more
alkaline state. There is some evidence that ORMUS products, particularly those with a magnesium or calcium
base, will tend to alkalize the body. Other ORMUS sources appear to work better when the body is slightly
alkaline. Most people on the conventional American diet tend to be acidic. The following foods and situations
tend to move one toward the alkaline end of the spectrum:
All vegetables especially green leafy
vegetables
Most all fruits including citrus
fruits
Millet, Quinoa
Drink several glasses of spring water
daily
Ripe olives
Raw almonds
Lima beans, Soy beans
Fresh green peas & green
beans
Avocado
Goat milk (Contains
lactose)
Low protein/low fat diet
Whey (contains milk sugar,
lactose)
Ghee (clarified butter, a
cholesterol-free saturated fat)
Moderate exercise
Relaxation exercises, i.e. deep
breathing, yoga, etc.
The following foods and situations
tend to move one more toward the less desirable acid end of the spectrum:
Excessive consumption of
starches
All
seafood. fish fowl
! & all flesh foods
Yogurt, butter, eggs.
cow's milk, cheese
Wheat,
oats. barley,
rice, corn, bread, spelt
Kamut, amaranth, teff, buckwheat
All beans except
lima and soy beans
High fat meals (more than 20% of
calories from fat)
High protein diet (over 25 grams per
day)
All pastas,
macaroni, and noodles.
Crackers, chips
Overeating
Cooked tomatoes, pasta &
sauce
Refined Sugar,
corn syrup. honey,
soda pop
Cookies, cakes,
pies, sweets, etc.
Blueberries, cranberries, currants,
plums, prunes
Carob
Allergic reactions
All nuts & seeds (except
almonds)
Tobacco, Drugs
Margarine, lard, hydrogenated oils,
corn & olive oil
All fried foods (fried in ghee. butter
or oils)
Coffee, tea, alcohol,
chocolate
Low water intake
Over exercise, lack of
sleep
Anxiety, anger, worry,
stress
Experts in this arena suggest that one
should consume about 80% alkaline forming foods and 20% acid forming foods. You can find a chart with more
information on this subject at:
balance.htm
Finally, David Hudson and others have
suggested that certain substances can "pin" the ORMUS elements to their metallic state under some
circumstances. These conditions apparently can happen in the body. According to Hudson the
substances in question are sulfites (SO3), carbon and carbon monoxide and nitric oxide. Since most of the ORMUS
elements are toxic in their metallic form it is wise to avoid foods and situations which increase these
substances in the body. There are some indications that the tendency for the ORMUS elements to drop to metal is
minimized by having an adequate B-12 intake.
Question: Are there any books out on this subject?
Answer:
You can find an ORMUS related booklist at:
booklist.htm
Contact me: sumro@zz.com
